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This week I attended LeWeb London, a two-day affair described as "Europe's leading Internet conference on innovation and entrepeneurship"
For the most part, the conference was great, an amazing opportunity to meet amazing people, either already established in the industry or just getting started in it. I had no specific agenda there (wasn't pitching or shopping for anything) but I got to talk to a couple dozen new people, all of whom were very polite.
The topic of the conference seemed to be the "sharing economy", a term I've grown to hate during the first day of the conference simply because of the number of times it was said out loud. It reminded me of all the buzzwords that came before it. The talks themselves were fun and interesting, just the term kept sounding worse and worse, emptier and emptier, every time someone said it.
The closing talk of the day on Wednesday was "10 reasons why the sharing economy is bollocks" by Milo Yiannopoulos, who was introduced as a journalist. He came on stage and presented a very well rehearsed 10-point talk on why he thought the whole thing was bullshit and while some points I could stand behind, I felt some points were wrong and others not explained well enough.
But it was a very entertaining talk. Extra-entertaining was the fact that some people got offended and left in the middle of it, which I found hilarious because his words weren't offensive as such.
It was also entertaining because I couldn't figure out if he genuinely despised the sharing economy or if he was trolling. I think he was genuine, but it wouldn't take much to convince me it was just an act.
Anyway, I tweeted
kll: „10 reasons the share economy is bollocks“ #leweb i can only hope to clear a room this fast one day…
twitter.com/kll/status/3423297…
And at that point I considered it the best talk of the day. I even ran into the guy out on the street while my friends and I were on our way to grab some food. I walked up, shook his hand and told him I really liked his talk and that I thought it was the best talk of the day. And I immediately walked away.
Tiny bit of backstory: I do not consider myself a photographer of any calibre, nor do I aspire to ever be considered one. I've tinkered with cameras for a while, entirely at a hobbyist level, and I've not really put any effort into it. On Monday, I bought a new camera because it had WiFi allowing me to snap a decent-looking photo and upload to facebook/twitter/etc immediately.
Because I had a two-day-old camera, I was snapping pics all the time at LeWeb. Partly because I wanted to see what kind of pictures I could actually produce, of this kind of event, to see for myself if I knew anything at all, partly because I was interested in seeing how the camera performed in different situations.
To my surprise, I got more than a couple of photos out of it that I really liked, so I shared them on twitter and facebook.
Two of the dozen or so photos I uploaded on Wednesday evening were of Milo's talk, and they can be found on the following two links (under the embedded pics)
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…;
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…
The posts are Public (as is most of my stuff) because I don't believe privacy exists any more, this saves me the disappointment of my stuff "leaking". That also means you should be able to see the pictures even if you don't have a facebook account.
Roughly 11 hours after I posted the photos (so Thursday morning) I'm scrolling through my facebook feed and I see that he's made the first of the two photos his "cover" photo (the thing that sits on top of your profile page but isn't your avatar/profile photo). He has done this by saving the image to his computer and then uploading it back into facebook.
The photo is uploaded with absolutely no attribution or comment on it.
www.facebook.com/milo.yiannopo…
I decided to go the more direct route, and tweeted:
kll: hey nero if you’re gonna use my photos, I expect to see my name on them. thanks. #leweb
twitter.com/kll/status/3426564…
No threats, no take-it-downs, directly to the point.
He fired back with:
Nero: Hey kll, if you're going to upload pics of me to Facebook & tag without my permission, I expect you not to be a dick when I point to them.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342657…
And then sub-tweeted (mentionless):
Nero: At every single event I speak at, amateur photographers keep proving me right. Chippy, humourless hypocrites the lot of them.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342658…
Nero: Don't want a speaker linking to a photo you took of them (then uploaded and tagged without permission)? Fine. Stay home and snap your cat.
WARNING: no personal info about Milo in the comments, no harrassing him because you read this, none of that. Who he is is irrelevant really, rules apply to everyone (if there are any). If you wanna discuss who fucked up, please do
For the most part, the conference was great, an amazing opportunity to meet amazing people, either already established in the industry or just getting started in it. I had no specific agenda there (wasn't pitching or shopping for anything) but I got to talk to a couple dozen new people, all of whom were very polite.
The topic of the conference seemed to be the "sharing economy", a term I've grown to hate during the first day of the conference simply because of the number of times it was said out loud. It reminded me of all the buzzwords that came before it. The talks themselves were fun and interesting, just the term kept sounding worse and worse, emptier and emptier, every time someone said it.
The closing talk of the day on Wednesday was "10 reasons why the sharing economy is bollocks" by Milo Yiannopoulos, who was introduced as a journalist. He came on stage and presented a very well rehearsed 10-point talk on why he thought the whole thing was bullshit and while some points I could stand behind, I felt some points were wrong and others not explained well enough.
But it was a very entertaining talk. Extra-entertaining was the fact that some people got offended and left in the middle of it, which I found hilarious because his words weren't offensive as such.
It was also entertaining because I couldn't figure out if he genuinely despised the sharing economy or if he was trolling. I think he was genuine, but it wouldn't take much to convince me it was just an act.
Anyway, I tweeted
kll: „10 reasons the share economy is bollocks“ #leweb i can only hope to clear a room this fast one day…
twitter.com/kll/status/3423297…
And at that point I considered it the best talk of the day. I even ran into the guy out on the street while my friends and I were on our way to grab some food. I walked up, shook his hand and told him I really liked his talk and that I thought it was the best talk of the day. And I immediately walked away.
Tiny bit of backstory: I do not consider myself a photographer of any calibre, nor do I aspire to ever be considered one. I've tinkered with cameras for a while, entirely at a hobbyist level, and I've not really put any effort into it. On Monday, I bought a new camera because it had WiFi allowing me to snap a decent-looking photo and upload to facebook/twitter/etc immediately.
Because I had a two-day-old camera, I was snapping pics all the time at LeWeb. Partly because I wanted to see what kind of pictures I could actually produce, of this kind of event, to see for myself if I knew anything at all, partly because I was interested in seeing how the camera performed in different situations.
To my surprise, I got more than a couple of photos out of it that I really liked, so I shared them on twitter and facebook.
Two of the dozen or so photos I uploaded on Wednesday evening were of Milo's talk, and they can be found on the following two links (under the embedded pics)
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…;
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…
The posts are Public (as is most of my stuff) because I don't believe privacy exists any more, this saves me the disappointment of my stuff "leaking". That also means you should be able to see the pictures even if you don't have a facebook account.
Roughly 11 hours after I posted the photos (so Thursday morning) I'm scrolling through my facebook feed and I see that he's made the first of the two photos his "cover" photo (the thing that sits on top of your profile page but isn't your avatar/profile photo). He has done this by saving the image to his computer and then uploading it back into facebook.
The photo is uploaded with absolutely no attribution or comment on it.
www.facebook.com/milo.yiannopo…
Now, like I said, I'm not a "photographer" and I have no intention of ever making money off a photograph, but I decided to have a bit of fun and I posted a comment within an hour of him uploading it, saying "nice photo, who took it? "
-no response-
He did like Dan Lyons crack about him looking like Liza Minelli a couple hours later tho.
I wasn't gonna make a big stink about it, I was hoping to catch him at the conference and ask him face to face what he thought of the whole copyright idea, and attribution and stuff like that. I was genuinely interested what his stance on it was.
But then, 3 hours after the first one, he set the second one as his cover photo. Same deal, save as, reupload, no attribution, no indication of where it came from.
Now, like I said, I'm not a "photographer" and I have no intention of ever making money off a photograph, but I decided to have a bit of fun and I posted a comment within an hour of him uploading it, saying "nice photo, who took it? "
-no response-
He did like Dan Lyons crack about him looking like Liza Minelli a couple hours later tho.
I wasn't gonna make a big stink about it, I was hoping to catch him at the conference and ask him face to face what he thought of the whole copyright idea, and attribution and stuff like that. I was genuinely interested what his stance on it was.
But then, 3 hours after the first one, he set the second one as his cover photo. Same deal, save as, reupload, no attribution, no indication of where it came from.
www.facebook.com/milo.yiannopo…
I decided to go the more direct route, and tweeted:
kll: hey nero if you’re gonna use my photos, I expect to see my name on them. thanks. #leweb
twitter.com/kll/status/3426564…
No threats, no take-it-downs, directly to the point.
He fired back with:
Nero: Hey kll, if you're going to upload pics of me to Facebook & tag without my permission, I expect you not to be a dick when I point to them.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342657…
And then sub-tweeted (mentionless):
Nero: At every single event I speak at, amateur photographers keep proving me right. Chippy, humourless hypocrites the lot of them.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342658…
Nero: Don't want a speaker linking to a photo you took of them (then uploaded and tagged without permission)? Fine. Stay home and snap your cat.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342658…
So, recap: I asked to be credited for the photos he used. I got called a dick, a chippy humourless hypocrite, and a.. cat-lover?
me: nero you’re tagged on public photos which are mine. saving them to your profile drops all credit. if you like it, leave the credit.
twitter.com/kll/status/3426585…
nero: kll I never said I liked them. Cheerio.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342659…
At this point we stopped communicating directly because he blocked me and I saw no point in getting around that.
He continued his rant tho:
nero: If amateur photogs spent as much time practising their art as they do researching their "rights", people might treat them more seriously.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342659…
nero: Sorry for the rant. Like every other publisher, I am incensed by chippy, talentless snappers. So much worse than any other content creator.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342660…
nero: They are the bane of the publishing industry.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342660…
Other people joined in:
MicahGoulart: nero You can't diss photographers as amateurs then turn around and publish their photos yourself. That's the real hypocrisy.
twitter.com/micahgoulart/statu…
brianwhelanhack: nero do you think people need your permission to take your photo?
twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/st…
pczaicki: micahgoulart nero kll - people overrate 'crediting'. You shot it, gave him the photo, that's what you can expect. Your fault.
twitter.com/pczaicki/status/34…
theintrapreneur: MarkOfRespect nero kll actually, I'm with nero on this one. In that its a photo of him. He can point to it if he wants. It's him!
twitter.com/theintrapreneur/st…
pczaicki: kll micahgoulart nero lads, bottom line is, if you want to benefit, get paid before you publish stuff. Otherwise don't complain.
twitter.com/pczaicki/status/34…
the TL;DR version: I uploaded photos of some journalist doing a talk to facebook and tagged him, he reuploaded them with no attribution and when politely nudged about it decided to ignore, provoke and ultimately insult. My motivation was never monetary, but I would have liked to get attribution for something he obviously liked enough to put at the top of his profile.
I'd like to know what your thoughts on this are and feel free to be honest if you think I fucked up
oh, also, at some point during this exchange on twitter, Milo changed his facebook cover photo to a scale saying "FAT", which I can only assume is a reference to me being overweight? nice one, sir.
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…So, recap: I asked to be credited for the photos he used. I got called a dick, a chippy humourless hypocrite, and a.. cat-lover?
me: nero you’re tagged on public photos which are mine. saving them to your profile drops all credit. if you like it, leave the credit.
twitter.com/kll/status/3426585…
nero: kll I never said I liked them. Cheerio.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342659…
At this point we stopped communicating directly because he blocked me and I saw no point in getting around that.
He continued his rant tho:
nero: If amateur photogs spent as much time practising their art as they do researching their "rights", people might treat them more seriously.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342659…
nero: Sorry for the rant. Like every other publisher, I am incensed by chippy, talentless snappers. So much worse than any other content creator.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342660…
nero: They are the bane of the publishing industry.
twitter.com/Nero/status/342660…
Other people joined in:
MicahGoulart: nero You can't diss photographers as amateurs then turn around and publish their photos yourself. That's the real hypocrisy.
twitter.com/micahgoulart/statu…
brianwhelanhack: nero do you think people need your permission to take your photo?
twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/st…
pczaicki: micahgoulart nero kll - people overrate 'crediting'. You shot it, gave him the photo, that's what you can expect. Your fault.
twitter.com/pczaicki/status/34…
theintrapreneur: MarkOfRespect nero kll actually, I'm with nero on this one. In that its a photo of him. He can point to it if he wants. It's him!
twitter.com/theintrapreneur/st…
pczaicki: kll micahgoulart nero lads, bottom line is, if you want to benefit, get paid before you publish stuff. Otherwise don't complain.
twitter.com/pczaicki/status/34…
the TL;DR version: I uploaded photos of some journalist doing a talk to facebook and tagged him, he reuploaded them with no attribution and when politely nudged about it decided to ignore, provoke and ultimately insult. My motivation was never monetary, but I would have liked to get attribution for something he obviously liked enough to put at the top of his profile.
I'd like to know what your thoughts on this are and feel free to be honest if you think I fucked up
oh, also, at some point during this exchange on twitter, Milo changed his facebook cover photo to a scale saying "FAT", which I can only assume is a reference to me being overweight? nice one, sir.
WARNING: no personal info about Milo in the comments, no harrassing him because you read this, none of that. Who he is is irrelevant really, rules apply to everyone (if there are any). If you wanna discuss who fucked up, please do
[insert cliched farewell subject]
Today was my last day at deviantART :(
It all came together very suddenly, and every next step feels like it's happening even faster than the last one. This Wednesday I received a really exciting offer that made my heart race. It was a scary kind of excitement. It was definitely out of my comfort zone. And the more I sat there, not thinking about it, the more I was thinking about it.
I will leave the details of my next endeavor for another day, but I wanted to take this oportunity to reflect on almost 3 full years as dA staff, a dt (https://www.deviantart.com/dt) developer, and what it all meant.
These past 3 years have been incredible. I've gotten to work side by s
bai, devwear
there's no easy way to say this, but devwear (deviantwear / deviantart gear) is no more :'( http://deviantartgear.deviantart.com/journal/Fond-Memories-The-deviantART-Gear-Store-is-Closed-374507832
for years, before becoming staff, I drooled over the selection of t-shirts and hoodies in the dA store, the cost of shipping them to Croatia and the extra cost Customs would slap on proving prohibitive.
also, I couldn't pick just one. I needed it ALL.
then, 3 years ago I joined dt (https://www.deviantart.com/dt) and gained access to the treasure chest - the devwear "closet" (warehouse)
oh, mai, that first xmas party. Christmas 2010., when I discovered the staff-only perk
april fools and stuff
first of all, April Fools'
wow.
shahyarg (https://www.deviantart.com/shahyarg) thought it'd be "funny" if the deviantHEART matchup super-secret-sauce first sent a tiny chunk of traffic my way (or haldron (https://www.deviantart.com/haldron)'s) before doing its magic
result? hundreds of notes and comments, and 3500 pageviews, about 3450 more than my daily average. I replied to a good chunk of notes and comments, but I still have some 120 to get through. I've attempted to reply to anyone who put more effort in than just sending the default message, even though I replied to a bunch of those as well. If I never get to yours, sorry, it really was an overwhelming amount of traffic.
I do think this years pran
More Like This
a new journal has been long overdue
I wanted to bring your guys attention to an amazing project I've been working on for the past few months and it's called More Like This.
We released our very first Beta last month and we got some pretty good feedback... We took the feedback and retreated back to our bat cave to make it even better. And make it better we did indeed.
Last friday we shipped an update to the More Like This Beta which has many many goodies and we're getting an overwhelmingly positive response to it in the announcement comments.
In case you haven't seen the announcements, I'm linking them here. Explore, enjoy, discuss, nothin
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there is no doubt this Nero guy did it on purpose. He was waiting for someone to be his sacrificial lamb. I guess he was trying to prove a point of his speech, but even after reading this post and watching his speech, I'm not really sure what he was trying to prove.
Being an asshole (this is not an insult, this is his style - he desperately wants to be an asshole) - that I get, but in a way his act is opposite of he was trying to say. He was probably trying to point out that we are all hypocrites for trying to claim ownership over something that is supposedly not ours; but in the end he marked himself as a real hypocrite. The fact that he is in the photograph, doesn't make it his ownership. The photos were made by your camera, which was bought by your money, that you've earned. This is exactly one of the points he was trying to make.
All of this reminds me of a situation when two people are arguing, and at one point one person does the same or similar rude thing that the other person was doing to him/her, and then says "you did it to me first". In a way, they are both wrong.
Except, in your case you never said to him that you don't at all support his points.
Being an asshole (this is not an insult, this is his style - he desperately wants to be an asshole) - that I get, but in a way his act is opposite of he was trying to say. He was probably trying to point out that we are all hypocrites for trying to claim ownership over something that is supposedly not ours; but in the end he marked himself as a real hypocrite. The fact that he is in the photograph, doesn't make it his ownership. The photos were made by your camera, which was bought by your money, that you've earned. This is exactly one of the points he was trying to make.
All of this reminds me of a situation when two people are arguing, and at one point one person does the same or similar rude thing that the other person was doing to him/her, and then says "you did it to me first". In a way, they are both wrong.
Except, in your case you never said to him that you don't at all support his points.